Episode summary: Helen and David talk about what four years of Trump - and of talking (and talking) about Trump - have meant for their thinking about America and about democratic politics. Is it possible to give a balanced picture of Trump’s presidency? Have the last four years followed a pattern or has it just been chaos? What is the likely legacy of Trump’s extraordinary level of global fame? Plus we discuss whether 2020 marks the beginning of the ‘short’ twenty-first century and what that means for Trump’s place in it. Talking Points: Will historians see 2020 as the start of the ‘short’ 21st century? - If so, Trump belongs to the interregnum. He’s not a dramatic break. - Certainly there are continuities, for example, in the Middle East. But there are also discontinuities with China and Iran. - Is the pandemic a fundamental watershed? Is American power in decline? - In some ways, the US is more powerful this decade than it was the decade before. - The US has a strong domestic energy supply again. - The Fed is still an…
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